for us and one for them? >> first of all, if we do not have health care reform, the gap between what congress gets and with ordinary americans get will continue to be as wide as it is right now. you are absolutely right. i do not think they would deny that they have a pretty good deal. they have a pretty good deal. they are -- by the way, i want you to know that their deal is no better than the janitor who cleaned their offices because they are part of a federal health-care employee plan. you have millions of people who are a part of the pool, which means they have enormous leverage with the insurance companies. if they can negotiate the same way that a big fortune 500 company can negotiate. that drives down their cost and they get a better deal. what happened is those members of congress -- i could look at a menu of a variety of different health care options . most of them private plans. they could beat not-for-profit, bluecross blueshield , they would have these plans and we would select which one works bes